you saw in past summits the energy and vibrancy the young people bring. it has been prohibitively expensive to get here. the numbers we can see are much less. still, as civil society, we have to be critical of ourselves at this point. we have to ask ourselves, while we are here, we do not have large numbers of people outside of the white house, outside different capitals of the world. at the end of the day, the u.n. process can be as good or as bad as the individual positions that national government bring from their different capitals to these negotiations. moving forward, one of the question we have to ask ourselves is, how much energy do we continue to put into this negotiating process, and how much energy do we put on the streets in the national capitals, in communities where people are feeling the impact already? >> how do you move from the anti-apartheid move into the anti-global warming movement? what was your trajectory? >> the struggle for human rights, the struggle to end the global poverty, giving the climate change, are two sides of the same c